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Christina's avatar

I've definitely come to think of forgiveness as "I don't need anything from this person" (literally the idea of forgiveness in the way we talk about debt forgiveness -- whatever we feel is owed to us **from that person** is relinquished), so basically what Ruttenberg describes as pardon. I think that kind of forgiveness includes working through our feelings to get to the state that Desmond Tutu describes: that you're not consumed by hate/anger, so "you are no longer chained to the perpetrator." Basically, freedom!

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I appreciate this musing as I currently live in tension and wrongness with someone who has obliterated boundaries. Anger should move us and when we tamp it down, I think it does make us harm our own bodies in one way or another. I also think there is some relationship between forgiveness and power. Like it’s much easier to forgive in whatever form when we have power to leave, power to enact consequences for the other person, or even power to protect ourselves. I think we can “let go” of what we don’t have power over, but I find it much harder to reach forgiveness.

Do you know what form of the word is used in the Lord’s Prayer? We do like a good opportunity to rush to the happy ending at the expense of character development, but I don’t think Jesus was generally a big proponent of that.

Thank you for your writing. And while it’s obvious that dude needs to learn how not to wield his patriarchal empowered imposing himself on others, he should wonder what button got pushed that he felt moved to speak to you.

Mushrooms sound magical. I used to know someone who used them very intentionally to process things and then continue that processing when back in regular reality, which seemed a powerful tool for growth for them. But I think there was a temptation to perpetually dwell in that cycle and then regular life felt hard.

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